tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post114839913582300905..comments2024-03-14T11:50:14.761-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: Matchmaker, matchmaker, give me a degreeDarwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1149401859416036232006-06-04T02:17:00.000-04:002006-06-04T02:17:00.000-04:00Phew, and I was beginning to think of late that I ...Phew, and I was beginning to think of late that I was the only (or one of a very few) Catholic woman who saw value in my pursuit of a PhD! <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great post!Daughter of St. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870872344734949189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148605391154968252006-05-25T21:03:00.000-04:002006-05-25T21:03:00.000-04:00Good questions, Anon. So good that if someone ans...Good questions, Anon. So good that if someone answers you they might spark a riot.<BR/><BR/>I'll try to explain the situation as concisely as I can.<BR/><BR/>The leat Archbishop Lefebvre started the SSPX (with the Church approval). He had misgivings about Vatican II and the new Mass. Things got strained between him and Pope Paul VI and some measures were taken to limit the activity of the SSPX (I don't recall all the circumstances of that and don't care to look it up right now).<BR/><BR/>Eventually he wanted to ordain new bishops. Pope John Paul II agreed, but he didn't like JPII's selection for ordination and JPII didn't like Lefebvre's. They were in the process of negotiating the matter when Abp. Lefebvre went off and ordained four bishops without the Holy See's approval.<BR/><BR/>Pope John Paul II excommunicated all the concerned parties for schism. They said it didn't count and that they were not in schism and therefore not excommunicated. <BR/><BR/>Ever since then, they have been operating on their own with no official connection to the Holy See.<BR/><BR/>They elect a superior from among the clerics every so many years. Bp Fellay is the current superior. What authority he actually holds over any others I'm not sure. <BR/><BR/>It's not like Rome can offer any correction because...well...why bother? They haven't been obeying the pope for the last 18 years, why they start now?<BR/><BR/>And to be forthcoming, I was once a member of the SSPX. I remain sympathetic to the cause of the traditional rite, but I found what I view to be some serious problems with them.Rick Lugarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957595491409017184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148591176360734002006-05-25T17:06:00.000-04:002006-05-25T17:06:00.000-04:00Perhaps this man is a "loose cannon" or a cranky o...Perhaps this man is a "loose cannon" or a cranky ole uncle; but he is also a bishop in his church and has not been censured nor reprimanded by his hierarchy (does he have one; who is above a bishop in the SSPX? Do they have a presiding bishop, like the Episcopal Church or the Lutheran Church? An Archbishop, like the Anglican Communion?)What is the difference between this guy's ideas about women and those of the taliban?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148582777657296932006-05-25T14:46:00.000-04:002006-05-25T14:46:00.000-04:00Oof! :)Oof! :)mrsdarwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446744635277205867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148575809932174812006-05-25T12:50:00.000-04:002006-05-25T12:50:00.000-04:00Not good, Mom is winning...;)Not good, Mom is winning...<BR/><BR/>;)Rick Lugarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957595491409017184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148569530072366712006-05-25T11:05:00.000-04:002006-05-25T11:05:00.000-04:00I dunno, Rick -- how's your Dungeons and Dragons g...I dunno, Rick -- how's your Dungeons and Dragons game going?mrsdarwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446744635277205867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148560592757203432006-05-25T08:36:00.000-04:002006-05-25T08:36:00.000-04:00LOLSpeaking of doctors, anything exciting been hap...LOL<BR/><BR/>Speaking of doctors, anything exciting been happening on General Hospital?Rick Lugarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957595491409017184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148558382488667992006-05-25T07:59:00.000-04:002006-05-25T07:59:00.000-04:00That's Doctor Cupcake to you, punk@$$!That's <I>Doctor</I> Cupcake to you, punk@$$!mrsdarwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446744635277205867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148555375060526632006-05-25T07:09:00.000-04:002006-05-25T07:09:00.000-04:00Aww, what a cute post. Way to tell 'em, Cupcake!Aww, what a cute post. Way to tell 'em, Cupcake!Rick Lugarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16957595491409017184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148480845488115792006-05-24T10:27:00.000-04:002006-05-24T10:27:00.000-04:00Anon,I certainly don't dispute that there are diff...Anon,<BR/><BR/>I certainly don't dispute that there are differences between the sexes, nor should any person of sound mind do so. But for Williamson to insist that a true woman should not seek to engage ideas when his own thinking is so riddled with logical errors and fallacies smacks of lunacy -- not that I think you'd disagree with me there.<BR/><BR/>I find militant feminism of the modern school silly and self-indulgent: "Men are oppressive, hierarchical, egotistical, and there's absolutely no difference between men and women!" But denouncing the education of women with such a flawed rhetorical style is hardly going to appeal to anyone of sound mind. Perhaps it's a natural temptation to overreact to an error, but academics who want to be taken seriously need to strive for a more reasoned approach.<BR/><BR/><I>He's like the eccentric uncle who insists on talking gibberish when company is over for dinner.</I><BR/>I like that, and I suppose that there are plenty of other loose cannons making noise in <BR/>Catholic circles, like Mahony on immigration. However, immigration is actually a serious issue. Fears about girls not being suited to higher education or women wearing pants or the hideous fallacy of the Sound of Music are most definitely not.<BR/><BR/>Not that I think you'd disagree with me on that.mrsdarwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446744635277205867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148480368494300872006-05-24T10:19:00.000-04:002006-05-24T10:19:00.000-04:00I'll admit, taking shots at Williamson is terribly...I'll admit, taking shots at Williamson is terribly easy... I've run into some Traditionalists who seem to be big fans of him, though at the same time it seems many others find him an embarrasment.<BR/><BR/>I suppose the thing about Williamson (and some others at the nuttier end of the Traditionalist spectrum) is that they annoy me more than some of the wacky leftist bishops because it seems like they <I>ought</I> to know better. If you're benighted enough to think that the sixties were a good and glorious time in which all that was previous potential in the Church suddenly came into bloom, it's not surprising that you're softheaded about everything else. But if your entire reason detre is to insist on keeping in touch with the 2000 year history of the Church, it seems doubly embarrassing to get deeply bogged down in such of-the-moment, shallow analysis.<BR/><BR/>I think that's part of why many of us who consider ourselves very, very theologically and liturgicalliy conservative, but who aren't 'Traditionalist' in the Tridentine-mass-only sense of the term find outselves beating on the SSPX and such so much.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148478123235427872006-05-24T09:42:00.000-04:002006-05-24T09:42:00.000-04:00It's a little misleading to quote the somewhat fru...It's a little misleading to quote the somewhat fruity and nutty loose cannon of the society, Williamson, without a disclaimer that he certainly does not represent either the SSPX or traditional Catholic thinking. He's like the eccentric uncle who insists on talking gibberish when company is over for dinner.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, it's sad that he distorts something that's genuinely true: men and women do process information differently, and do approach reasoning differently. This is not to say that women cannot reason or should not be educated (my own wife and sisters, and my mother are articulate, capable people while being traditional orthodox Catholic ladies).<BR/><BR/>Williamson is falling prey to a natural enough temptation: when you see an error like feminism and the notion of no differences between the sexes, you might be inclined to overreact and overemphasize the quality and nature of the true differences between men and women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148409798129485472006-05-23T14:43:00.000-04:002006-05-23T14:43:00.000-04:00I would be very much interested, Narwen, to sit in...I would be very much interested, Narwen, to sit in on a conversation between you and Bishop Williamson. And I bet your logic would be sharper than his, too.<BR/><BR/>Household, schmousehold. Keeping house is a job, just like being a janitor or running a company. It's just something one does, because if one doesn't, it doesn't get done. <BR/><BR/>And frankly, let the bishop argue with a four-year-old if he thinks women don't need training in rhetoric and logic!mrsdarwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446744635277205867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148409230719740742006-05-23T14:33:00.000-04:002006-05-23T14:33:00.000-04:00So women are the only ones who let their feelings ...So women are the only ones who let their feelings take precedence over thought ? Then why is it primarily men who consume pornography ? If these guys were 'thinking' with their brains rather than with a lower part of their anatomies, the porn industry would shrivel up and die. <BR/>But, then again, I'm an unmarried woman with little interest in running a household, so obviously I was never "a true girl " !Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09015745990344837357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-1148402988507742822006-05-23T12:49:00.000-04:002006-05-23T12:49:00.000-04:00I'm sure this is deeply divisive and unhelpful of ...I'm sure this is deeply divisive and unhelpful of me, but I'm deeply amused by trying to decide the correct way to pronounce SSPX without saying each letter. Would it be "Spix" or maybe even "Spixie"? <BR/><BR/>Deeply un-ecumenical, I'm sure, but the possibilities all seem fun...Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.com