tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post4007107136638336442..comments2024-03-14T11:50:14.761-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: Personal Sin, Shared ReparationDarwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-74486252641916203812010-04-21T23:13:54.781-04:002010-04-21T23:13:54.781-04:00Though, I should add, I'm flattered that despi...Though, I should add, I'm flattered that despite our constant rhetorical run-ins I come off as a "intelligent, decent, and mostly levelheaded guy". <br /><br />:-)Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-59739697402317082572010-04-21T23:12:00.062-04:002010-04-21T23:12:00.062-04:00Quiz show style, I'd like to take the last poi...Quiz show style, I'd like to take the last point first:<br /><br /><i>arguing, in total earnestness, that you share the blame</i><br /><br />To be clear, I'm not arguing that I and other Catholics share the <i>blame</i>, but rather that we share the responsibility for reparation. I wouldn't say it's specific to religious community, either. Other ties can produce a similar responsibility to make up for the sins of others. If, for instance, one found that one's late father had committed some great sin or great injustice against another person or group, I'd see the same principle applying.<br /><br />Though I certainly understand that in a highly individualistic culture, this is a hard sell. <br /><br /><i>When a global scandal perpetrated entirely by clerics </i><br /><br />Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it seems to me that when you say "perpetrated entirely by clerics" it makes it sound like clerics are this other caste one can point to and say, "Hey, go talk to those guys. Your problem is with clerics."<br /><br />Clerics are, after all, just Catholic men who are ordained, they don't come from some other source. <br /><br />It's true, though, that since priests and religious (brothers and nuns) are consecrated to service to the Church, their actions do seem to take on more an element of collective responsibility than those of lay Catholics. If I heard that the uncle of some unrelated lay Catholic family has been abusing all his nieces and nephews, I would feel sorry for the victims and want to help if I could, but I wouldn't see any sense of shared moral responsibility to make reparation.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-82426306096984207362010-04-21T21:12:45.346-04:002010-04-21T21:12:45.346-04:00When a global scandal perpetrated entirely by cler...When a global scandal perpetrated entirely by clerics results in an intelligent, decent, and mostly levelheaded guy like you arguing, in total earnestness, that you share the blame - <br /><br />Well, I thank God that I haven't been subjected to the same brainwashing.<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-39295850142627162432010-04-20T23:52:55.334-04:002010-04-20T23:52:55.334-04:00Joel,
Out of curiosity: Is that because you stron...Joel,<br /><br />Out of curiosity: Is that because you strongly disagree with the description of sin and reparation? Or because you're glad not to be part of the guilty group?Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-74383988640407699672010-04-20T23:39:33.738-04:002010-04-20T23:39:33.738-04:00Darwin, this particular blog posting of yours make...Darwin, this particular blog posting of yours makes me really, really glad that I'm not Catholic.<br /><br />Sorry, but there it is.<br /><br />JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-52327711756205633492010-04-20T19:05:56.938-04:002010-04-20T19:05:56.938-04:00Anon,
My personal advice is always: don't dri...Anon,<br /><br />My personal advice is always: don't drink and blog.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-57233330706576799362010-04-19T13:25:35.252-04:002010-04-19T13:25:35.252-04:00Wow, this is a great point. Heaven help us if the...Wow, this is a great point. Heaven help us if the <em>New York Times</em> ever hears of it, though -- I can see the headline:<br /><br />"Darwin: Parents of Abused Children Owe Reparations"<br /><br />Your point seems to recommend that the rest of us -- even if we have nothing to do with the scandal -- do penance for it. Not that we must for our own guilt, but that such penance will be efficacious in advancing the healing of the victims and the conversion of the perpetrators.bearinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953735060133330755noreply@blogger.com