tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post4875146077888739033..comments2024-03-28T17:53:43.541-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: Sept. 11th, 9 A.D.Darwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-52471709913911437302007-04-24T20:18:00.000-04:002007-04-24T20:18:00.000-04:00Darwin:A great post! Thanks for reminding me about...Darwin:<BR/><BR/>A great post! Thanks for reminding me about this.<BR/><BR/>The fascinating question is "What if?" What if this disaster had never happened? What might the trajectory of Roman policy had been in Germany?<BR/>And what might the borders of the Empire have been 200 years later? And if they had been further east, would that have made any difference in the crisis years that came 200 years after that?Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-86565893494349083792007-04-24T10:00:00.000-04:002007-04-24T10:00:00.000-04:00Fair enough point, Joseph and Tom.To the extent th...Fair enough point, Joseph and Tom.<BR/><BR/>To the extent that I'd defend singling out Teutoburg as the massive blow to the Roman psyche, I'd say the big difference was that it seemed like such a reversal against the successes of Julius and Augustus. The period around 100 BC was so chaotic for them anyway.<BR/><BR/>Also, just to clarify, I wasn't so much trying to draw any sort of parallel between Teutoburg and 9/11 as just noticing the coincidence of dates.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-73429671003696557352007-04-24T00:29:00.000-04:002007-04-24T00:29:00.000-04:00Bad as the Teutoburg Forest was, it wasn't a patch...Bad as the Teutoburg Forest was, it wasn't a patch on the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arausio" REL="nofollow">Battle of Arausio</A> 113 years before. That one didn't cost Rome a province, because the Germans were too disorganized to follow up their victory with conquest; but there's a fair case to be made that it cost them the Republic in the end.<BR/><BR/>Still, the Teutoburg deserves its reputation in history. Thanks for the reminder; I <I>knew</I> there was some famous disaster or other that happened on September 11 (he said sourly, with a shake of the head at a certain species of human folly).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-68734943776110011752007-04-23T22:37:00.000-04:002007-04-23T22:37:00.000-04:00You can make a plausible case that the attack on R...You can make a plausible case that the attack on Rome in the days of Marius was an even closer model for 9/11, particularly when you recall that the reaction included professionalizing previously amateur government services and changing a foreign policy based on reacting to perceived threats to one based on preventing threats in the first place.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720409839023747889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-29224586168654986132007-04-23T21:38:00.000-04:002007-04-23T21:38:00.000-04:00Fascinating and well written history here, I learn...Fascinating and well written history here, I learned an awful lot. This battle really was a major blow to Rome's psyche, it is said that the day after the battle the statue of the Goddess of victory "Nike" which had always faced north, mysteriously had turned and was pointing south, towards the heart of the city, there was considerable pannic that the Germans would sack Rome even. Of course that's all it was, panic, it is amazing just how well and in what good order the Romans fought even with every possible thing going wrong and a major failure of leadership from the top. I wonder what the people of Judea though when they heard news of this?Fidei Defensorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236784399852253136noreply@blogger.com