tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post5920411578026952110..comments2024-03-14T11:50:14.761-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: Fake Map of Tribal Nations Takes Social Media by StormDarwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-25323187798633481192015-08-22T14:21:10.540-04:002015-08-22T14:21:10.540-04:00To be honest, it's often to even realize what ...To be honest, it's often to even realize what Europe really "looked" like prior to the modern notion of the nation-state. Our conception of the fixed border is part & parcel of organizing principle that deeply ingrained, not only into a post-Westphalian concept of state sovereignty (which came well into the colonial project), but into the ideas of Progressivism & Industrialization (that the same organizing principles at heart operate in science, economics, government, and society – so that the map-as-reality can be cordoned off by rational process). It's an interesting exercise to examine different contemporary maps and see the range of symbolic versus representational expression, as well as how the grammar of cartography expression the liminal natural of borders between pre-Westphalian and non-Westphalian entities.<br /><br />As a descendant of 17th-century Dutch colonists who, following Dutch West India Company policy, were required to negotiate and purchase lands from natives, it's fascinating to read about the differences in how quickly Westphalian (and "Lockean" concepts on sovereignty and land fully percolated into European consciousness in comparison to Native American tribes who had completely distinct ideas – as you note – notions on central sovereignty (notions that could never be translated into quasi-Wilsonian nation-state terms as these maps posit). One would think that a decade or more's argument over Sykes-Picot would point out the even-greater fallacy here, but there's that epistematic progressivism at play that I referenced...Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058171030261812885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-35193299461471846622015-08-18T23:28:33.208-04:002015-08-18T23:28:33.208-04:00BenK,
Yeah, the idea of showing modern-state styl...BenK,<br /><br />Yeah, the idea of showing modern-state style borders for indigenous tribes is problematic to say the least. A probability scatter showing overlaps and density would be fascinating (though impossible to figure out with anything like accuracy at this point.)<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />Hmmm. I'd never run into that one, but I have to admit: the only OSC novel that I ever actually finished was Ender's Game. I'll have to look it up sometime.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-44819713318938996922015-08-18T18:04:59.546-04:002015-08-18T18:04:59.546-04:00Pastwatch - by Orson Scott Card - tackles some of ...Pastwatch - by Orson Scott Card - tackles some of these themesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-70482021664398565862015-08-18T14:30:14.588-04:002015-08-18T14:30:14.588-04:00It would be interesting to see a probability densi...It would be interesting to see a probability density function depicting the space/time chance of meeting someone from a named group with which he/she would identify, and additionally, perhaps, whether he/she would indicate that the place was under the group's control. There would likely be large empty places, overlap, and other complications. <br /><br />BenKnoreply@blogger.com