tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post6166300476114284821..comments2024-03-28T17:53:43.541-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: Is God's Will Found in the Gaps of Ours?Darwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-75897410220707796332012-05-05T23:34:51.601-04:002012-05-05T23:34:51.601-04:00Mine had been a response to and riff off of Banshe...Mine had been a response to and riff off of Banshee's comment. <br /><br />We may manage our bodily fertility, but we must have a grave reason to prevent fruitfulness by way of children. And once our fertility has found fruitfulness in the form of pregnancy, we may not take steps directed against it.<br /><br />Such rules do not make sense in the context of the metaphor of managing a field's fertility because the metaphor hides the humanity of the new life engendered by pregnancy.<br /><br />Still opaque? I'm sorry if it is.The Ubiquitoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395703772492059721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-6239067008831536142012-05-05T23:05:22.626-04:002012-05-05T23:05:22.626-04:00Ubiquitous,
I'm not sure I follow you.Ubiquitous, <br /><br />I'm not sure I follow you.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-65539055231662505052012-05-05T23:05:11.863-04:002012-05-05T23:05:11.863-04:00Ubiquitous,
I'm not sure I follow you.Ubiquitous, <br /><br />I'm not sure I follow you.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-9034323429199971632012-05-05T22:44:31.249-04:002012-05-05T22:44:31.249-04:00To overextend the metaphor: What we object to invo...To overextend the metaphor: What we object to involves preventing fruitfulness without good reason. This includes every instance of ripping existing fruit out of the ground.<br /><br />Of course, the metaphor fails when we realize we are not talking about mere fertility but rather life and death.The Ubiquitoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395703772492059721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-14399273335348117252012-05-04T14:31:28.577-04:002012-05-04T14:31:28.577-04:00God created a woman to be infertile about 75% pf t...God created a woman to be infertile about 75% pf the time. If God wanted a baby created every time we had sex, he would have made her fertile 100% of the time. <br /><br />Could it be God's will that we use our intellect to work in harmony with what God created?<br /><br />Nah! :)Tonyhttp://www.manlymen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-54284973492945457652012-05-03T21:23:48.893-04:002012-05-03T21:23:48.893-04:00Nobody gets upset if you plan the time to plant ga...Nobody gets upset if you plan the time to plant garden seed, and manage your yard's fertility and fallowness according to the weather and the cycles of the year and climate.<br /><br />But apparently, treating human seed and human earth that way is wrong. <br /><br />NFP is agriculture.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-16758703704892692592012-05-02T11:12:24.089-04:002012-05-02T11:12:24.089-04:00Using NFP to prevent pregnancy strikes me as simil...Using NFP to prevent pregnancy strikes me as similar to Jesus' prayer in the Garden...<br /><br />"Father, let this cup pass over me, but not my will, but thy will be done".<br /><br />(For those who need to be told, I'm not equating a baby to a horrible death on the cross, BTW :))Tonyhttp://www.manlymen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-76468361129003050242012-05-02T07:36:13.574-04:002012-05-02T07:36:13.574-04:00Something else I've come to think about lately...Something else I've come to think about lately: because we're rational and bear God's image, we have a part to play in the unfolding (evolution) of creation. We have to use our will and volition to extend the Kingdom, as we know how in the moment.<br /><br />Leaving it all up to God is abdicating responsibility, in a way (is that Acedia?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-52375118402163435922012-05-02T06:38:21.035-04:002012-05-02T06:38:21.035-04:00Thank you for great posting.
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I think th...I am also a big fan of the boat joke. <br /><br />I think that the sentiment that many people are trying to get across is that, even though prudence may require us to plan and to take action, we are never required to be anxious or worried about the outcome of our actions, or to be consumed by our planning. Nor is it useful to second-guess ourselves and fret after the decision time has passed. It is possible to overplan and to overthink our decisions.<br /><br />Sometimes, it may even be preferable to decline to plan, if it can be reasonably foreseen that overplanning, overthinking, and fretting will be the result of attempting to plan.<br /><br />I am not sure I would call "declining to plan" "accepting God's will.". It is more like "accepting the natural consequences of this situation without exerting my will on it." I think God moves mainly through people's choices, including the choice not to decide.bearinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953735060133330755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-86711249150124674562012-05-01T17:50:29.473-04:002012-05-01T17:50:29.473-04:00I love that joke.I love that joke.love2learnmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548471887979257624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-29058086549848847362012-05-01T17:40:11.329-04:002012-05-01T17:40:11.329-04:00This reminds me of a joke I heard years ago. I fou...This reminds me of a joke I heard years ago. I found it conveniently already typed out at http://seeingmiracleseveryday.blogspot.com/2009/08/are-you-waiting-to-be-rescued.html<br /><br /><i><br />It had been raining for days and days, and a terrible flood had come over the land. The waters rose so high that one man was forced to climb onto the roof of his house to avoid the floodwaters, faithfully praying to God to save him.<br /><br />As the waters rose higher and higher, a man in a rowboat appeared, and told him to get in. “No,” replied the man on the roof. “I have faith in the Lord, the Lord will save me.” So the man in the rowboat went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.<br /><br />The waters rose higher and higher, and suddenly a speedboat appeared. “Climb in!” shouted a man in the boat. “No,” replied the man on the roof. “I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me.” So the man in the speedboat went away. The man on the roof prayed even harder, knowing that God would save him.<br /><br />The waters continued to rise. A helicopter appeared and over the loudspeaker, the pilot announced he would lower a rope to the man on the roof. “No,” replied the man on the roof. “I have faith in the Lord, the Lord will save me.” So the helicopter went away. The man on the roof prayed again for God to save him, steadfast in his faith. <br /><br />The waters rose higher and higher, and eventually they rose so high that the man on the roof was washed away, and alas, the poor man drowned.<br /><br />Upon arriving in heaven, the man marched straight over to God. “Heavenly Father,” he said, “I had faith in you, I prayed to you to save me, and yet you did nothing. Why?” God gave him a puzzled look, and replied “I sent you two boats and a helicopter, what more did you expect than that?”<br /></i>Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05179125932315215997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-66103091206510207712012-05-01T17:34:15.200-04:002012-05-01T17:34:15.200-04:00One quotation that I think short circuits this deb...One quotation that I think short circuits this debate nicely is from St. Ignatius Loyola (I hope I got the source right!): "Pray as if everything depended upon God, then act as if everything depended on you."<br /><br />Action and prayer *together* will eventually uncover God's will.<br /><br />It's finding that balance that I have yet to perfect!Our Heroinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-71397497044593885072012-05-01T17:27:58.577-04:002012-05-01T17:27:58.577-04:00I think sometimes well-meaning Catholics imagine t...<i>I think sometimes well-meaning Catholics imagine that if one of these things happens then we somehow are missing a baby that God had planned for us. </i><br /><br />Also important to remember is that each soul is created at the moment of conception, so there's not some nebulous baby floating around Heaven, wondering why Mom and Dad were so out of touch with God's Will that they wouldn't welcome him.MrsDarwinhttp://darwincatholic.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-272856518571968942012-05-01T17:19:40.505-04:002012-05-01T17:19:40.505-04:00Amen! This concept tends to drive me crazy too, bu...Amen! This concept tends to drive me crazy too, but I also understand that it is confusing. Part of God's will is that we use our good reason to make decisions. Also, as far as God's plan for when our next baby comes, is it thwarting God's will if conception doesn't take place because someone is sick or on business travel? (Or sort of conversely for that matter, God doesn't prevent conception of a baby outside of marriage, even though clearly conceiving under those circumstances are against his will). Of course not. I think sometimes well-meaning Catholics imagine that if one of these things happens then we somehow are missing a baby that God had planned for us. But we're forgetting that God works within our personal lives and circumstances, knowing us so well (and being so conveniently outside of time) that He is aware of our choices and circumstances and whatnot even before they happen.love2learnmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548471887979257624noreply@blogger.com