tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post6194216549715920330..comments2024-03-14T11:50:14.761-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: On GirlwatchingDarwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-78712531696682288032009-08-12T22:02:03.987-04:002009-08-12T22:02:03.987-04:00"...seeking pin-ups and such is likely to gra..."...seeking pin-ups and such is likely to gradually deform your sensibilities such that you eventually won't be able to look at a woman in a swimsuit as anything other than the object of lust."<br /><br />I'm already there. It is a wonderful place to be.Jokah Macphersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04185675633464395897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-68359014019252934342009-08-12T14:54:10.027-04:002009-08-12T14:54:10.027-04:00So, would it be fair to say that if a man apprecia...<i>So, would it be fair to say that if a man appreciated a woman's beauty in the same way a woman would he's in the clear, but if he does it in a way that no woman could, he's probably walking a fine line?</i><br /><br />I don't think I'd say that -- in that how we react to people is formed by our sex. Men are generally attracted to women, and women to men, so men have more of a capacity to be attracted by women, and less likelihood to instinctively see an attractive woman as "competition".<br /><br />So no, appreciating as I'm thinking of it is not unmixed with attraction, but it's certainly not only attraction, and to the extent that it involves attraction it's not "I want that person" or "I'm deriving arousal from that person" so much as just as "Mmmm... Beautiful."Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-4137666926889307742009-08-12T11:02:31.306-04:002009-08-12T11:02:31.306-04:00If I'm reading you right, it's o.k. to app...If I'm reading you right, it's o.k. to appreciate as long as it's an aesthetic appreciation? So, would it be fair to say that if a man appreciated a woman's beauty in the same way a woman would he's in the clear, but if he does it in a way that no woman could, he's probably walking a fine line? If a man can fairly say that he admires the beautiful lines of the woman in the picture in the same way he admires the flowing lines of Mother Theresa in a sari, he should be o.k., eh?Marienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-85796847586450562372009-08-12T10:55:04.228-04:002009-08-12T10:55:04.228-04:00I am noticing now that you make the distinction be...<i>I am noticing now that you make the distinction between ogling and appreciating, that the gal in the picture you chose here is much more "appropriately" dressed than the "provocatively" dressed woman in the first post, and the midriff baring woman in another related post. </i><br /><br />Well, I didn't really have time for picture hunting, so I just dropped in a "runner up" picture I'd found when writing the <a href="http://darwincatholic.blogspot.com/2009/06/hot-day-at-office.html" rel="nofollow">summer skirts</a> post. <br /><br />I'll say: I didn't think any of the pictures I posted were of the "guaranteed to create lust whether you like it or not" variety -- at least not for me. Though at the same time, I must confess to a certain pleasure in <a href="http://darwincatholic.blogspot.com/2006/09/avert-thine-eyes.html" rel="nofollow">tweeking sensibilities</a> when talking about modesty within what I know is generally a conservative Catholic audience. Late night college discussions with people who thought the Sistine Chapel was sinful and all that.<br /><br />All that said, I would agree that provacative dress and behavior puts on offer that which should not be exchanged -- though at the same time I think most guys are pretty capable of keeping their mental cool (or looking away if necessary.) <br /><br />And just to complicate the topic a bit: I'd hold there are things which should be avoided, not because they're guaranteed to induce lust, but simply because they're tawdry. So for example -- I think most guys can handle the sight of a hot woman in a bakini with relative calm (if they try) but at the same time I'd say that a gentleman would never own a swimsuit calendar. Not just that, but seeking pin-ups and such is likely to gradually deform your sensibilities such that you eventually won't be able to look at a woman in a swimsuit as anything other than the object of lust.<br /><br />Does that make any sense?Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-65934222470457427932009-08-11T14:37:28.601-04:002009-08-11T14:37:28.601-04:00I am noticing now that you make the distinction be...I am noticing now that you make the distinction between ogling and appreciating, that the gal in the picture you chose here is much more "appropriately" dressed than the "provocatively" dressed woman in the first post, and the midriff baring woman in another related post. I can see why Entropy would think your appreciation veered towards ogling. A problem with your argument however is that many women do dress provocatively, even when they are not slithering around a pole. Things are being offered, and in many cases, we cannot refuse them whether we want to or not. And I've been told that the physical response to such images can be involuntary. Is there a point to "guarding the senses?" or is that only for the less erudite observers of the female form?BettyDuffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17130418609022759086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-66730262496039012972009-08-09T16:14:50.871-04:002009-08-09T16:14:50.871-04:00D'oh! (slaps brow)
The third person threw me.D'oh! (slaps brow)<br />The third person threw me.CMinorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07305306030099439903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-57899607719179335822009-08-08T18:49:04.673-04:002009-08-08T18:49:04.673-04:00+JMJ+
I am reminded of a conversation I overheard...+JMJ+<br /><br />I am reminded of a conversation I overheard when I was still wandering about in Business school. One of my classmates was describing his own sister as "sexy," and one of his friends (also male) called him out on it, saying that only a pervert would think of his sister as sexy. The first guy got confused--and a little bit defensive--as he struggled to explain that he had merely come to see that a huge number of men in the world (or at least our part of the world) would find his sister hot.Enbrethilielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414765854670926854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-13925778262229587512009-08-08T17:46:59.052-04:002009-08-08T17:46:59.052-04:00C,
No, no, this is Darwin's post, though I co...C,<br /><br />No, no, this is Darwin's post, though I concur with what he said. (And we do have some accidental cross-posting which confuses the issue.)mrsdarwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03446744635277205867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-27335194508918535532009-08-08T17:26:42.424-04:002009-08-08T17:26:42.424-04:00Point granted (I'm assuming this is MrsD posti...Point granted (I'm assuming this is MrsD posting under Darwin's account). Still, I think Darwin with teenage daughters may lose some appreciation for the appreciation of the feminine form. At least when it's teenage guys appreciating his daughters' feminine forms. It happens to most dads.CMinorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07305306030099439903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-74277633402080083202009-08-08T10:34:45.255-04:002009-08-08T10:34:45.255-04:00It's easy to see the distinction if you frame ...It's easy to see the distinction if you frame it from the other side - since women are rarely accused of ogling (but are certainly not adverse to admiring a handsome man). A woman's reaction to the sight of Clark Gable in a well-tailored suit is likely to be (and ought to be) one of appreciation for an attractive and aesthetic appearance. Men are as capable of this appreciation as are women, and it is a deplorable double standard to think that any male attention is necessarily lascivious.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03787892622804373968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-75542279605914003862009-08-07T23:10:42.908-04:002009-08-07T23:10:42.908-04:00*thumbs up*
That's about as clever as I can b...*thumbs up*<br /><br />That's about as clever as I can be today, but I think it sums up my feelings accurately. :)Clarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04297167286490109077noreply@blogger.com