tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post783789825905143734..comments2024-03-14T11:50:14.761-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: Was the Declaration of Independence Legal?Darwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-438650893388658582011-10-26T06:34:00.939-04:002011-10-26T06:34:00.939-04:00Andy, George III was preparing abolition of slaver...Andy, George III was preparing abolition of slavery - that was one cause for George Washington's rebellion.<br /><br />Texan adherence to Union also came in part because Mexico had prohibited slavery and freed slaves.<br /><br />The Confederacy was loyal to the Founding Fathers and to the President who recived Texas into the Union.<br /><br />And back in the War of Independence, which did not have that excuse of loyalty, there were black men who were loyalist and got over to Canada because they were abolitionist.<br /><br />As Chesterton pointed out, it is in the world of ideas, ideals and ideologies nonsense to side both with George Washington against George III and with Abraham Lincoln against Jefferson Davies.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-50863508209582740362011-10-25T14:41:27.979-04:002011-10-25T14:41:27.979-04:00I saw a clip of an old Firing Line where William F...I saw a clip of an old Firing Line where William F. Buckley had a Black Panther (Huey Newton?) on. The Black Panther asked Buckley what side of the American Revolution he would have been on. Buckley thought about it for a while a said he hoped he would be on the side of the Colonists.<br /><br />I would also like to think I would have been on the side of the Colonists, but being conservative by nature, eventually came to the realization I probably would have sided with England. If I was sitting in my little log cabin in 1770, I would likely think the revolutionaries were crazed and ultimately more dangerous than the system I already knew.<br /><br />I also agree with your analogy that the biggest difference between 1776 and 1861 is that the rebels won the former war. While the Colonists may have wanted representation or to escape taxation and the Confederates wanted to keep their slaves, both England and the North were fighting to hold together their country, largely for their own economic benefit. If the South would have won, Lee would be the 19th century version of Washington (granted, in some sections of the country, he already is) and if the Colonists would have lost, Jefferson would have looked at crazy as Alexander Stephens.Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-34945339328794048922011-10-21T17:27:25.346-04:002011-10-21T17:27:25.346-04:00It is for posts like this that I love your blog!
Y...It is for posts like this that I love your blog!<br />You hit the nail on the head when you say that the purpose of the Declaration of Independence was not to be a legal document. The purpose was to lay down an ultimatum & to rally public support. We fought a war for our independence, and won it in the terms of surrender.Lexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732400315178347002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-28006314907365190852011-10-20T09:49:08.889-04:002011-10-20T09:49:08.889-04:00Remember: "lawful and justified" is not ...Remember: <i>"lawful and justified"</i> is not exact synonym of <i>"legal".</i><br /><br />Of course, as a Jacobite*, I do not find the deposition of James VII and II <i>"lawful and justified"</i> at all. But none argues that was simply legal either.<br /><br />You see, besides <i>"legal"</i> and <i>"illegal"</i> when it comes to positive law, there is also the question of <i>"lawful and justified"</i> before eternal or divine law - or not. St Thomas Aquinas believed this as firmly as anyone else. Up to recent Prussian spirits, that is.<br /><br />Whigamores argue that deposing James VII and II was lawful and justified in 1688. Real Tories that taking up arms for James VIII and III was, in 1713 and 1745.<br /><br />It is in that sense that the Declaration of Independence is to be read: was it lawful and justified or not. But of course it cannot have been merely legal. It was either far worse than illegal or far better than legal.<br /><br />Thank you for letting me know about the news./HGL<br /><br />*I am also a Jackobite when it comes to Jack Lewis' work, but that is another matter.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-23515266800663736772011-10-20T02:23:51.353-04:002011-10-20T02:23:51.353-04:00As a person of Irish it pains me to say the Brits ...As a person of Irish it pains me to say the Brits are right on this one; treason is never legal.<br /><br />Let's not forget the founders were largely anti-Catholic Masons and Deists.<br />The colonists generally were loyal subjects only so long as the British to protect them from the (Catholic) French and Spanish Empires.<br /><br />So the Founders, come down to it, were a bunch of ingrates who didn't want to pay their fair share of taxes to pay for a war fought at least partly in their defence.<br /><br />All of which is not to say I'm glad they won.TChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03909403492050641160noreply@blogger.com