tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post6403191847298045797..comments2024-03-28T17:53:43.541-04:00Comments on DarwinCatholic: NCR's Rage Against the Latin MassDarwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-23125118428189529522019-11-07T04:27:15.434-05:002019-11-07T04:27:15.434-05:00"the more a group is inclined to excuse (or e..."the more a group is inclined to excuse (or even encourage) bad behavior so long as it is done by people who are loyal to the cause, the more toxic the group will become."<br /><br />If only more people would recognize this! I feel like this is a primary lesson in objectivity and fairness which should be taught from childhood (i. e. bad behavior is bad no matter who does it). <br /><br />"The Latin Mass, by contrast, is merely an extinct model of tradition practiced in the United States and other countries"<br /><br />Oh dear. Not imported from another country indeed! It was brought into America with the (Roman) Catholic people who came here as their own living tradition. <br /><br />"After over an hour spent every Sunday drowning in incense smoke and getting sneered at, we did not feel any closer to God."<br />Why did they, again, go to mass if they did not get anything out of it than incense smoke? It feels like intentional provocation to me, definitely not like someone returning to the church (presumably having at least some openness to the meaning of the celebration of the Mass beyond the outward appearance).Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00047890626000373572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-15670084498879615452019-11-06T12:37:31.988-05:002019-11-06T12:37:31.988-05:00Bernard,
Indeed, that seems a correct assessment ...Bernard,<br /><br />Indeed, that seems a correct assessment right on down the line.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08572976822786862149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13522238.post-74124808619970940162019-11-06T12:17:28.708-05:002019-11-06T12:17:28.708-05:00At the risk of being accused of 'whateverism&#...At the risk of being accused of 'whateverism' (whatever that may be), I have noticed the same tendency on the part of those preferring the Old Latin Mass to demonize and to 'other' those preferring the Novus Ordo liturgy. This is not to attempt to deny the truth of what you have to say here, Darwin, but rather, to point out the sides of a cultural and religious war which has been waged since the time that His late Holiness, Paul VI, instituted the Novus Ordo liturgy and suppressed the earlier Tridentine one.<br /><br />That war has been waged for the last half century, with the new guard being in the ascendant for most of that time. During most if not all of that time, the new guard, in serving the new mass, and against the wishes of the Council Fathers of the Second Vatican Council, dropped as much of Holy Tradition, in the forms of liturgical music, sacred art and architecture, and traditional liturgical praxis, as they possibly could. <br /><br />In consequence, those who valued Holy Tradition were given the choice of swallowing the pabulum of the New Mass and abandoning that tradition, or either being disobedient to the hierarchy of the Church, and joining a schismatic group, or taking refuge in any of the few churches, either Eastern or Western, which preserved Holy Tradition in its liturgical praxis. While Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI gave the traditionalists more opportunity to worship as they wished, the largely modernist clergy and hierarchy continued to deny the traditionalists most opportunities for them to have a more traditional worship.<br /><br />As a result of the above, traditionalists and modernists appear to be embittered toward one another. And, since their conflict has now reached the state of war, both sides appear to wish to deny to the other their right to worship in the manner that they choose.<br /><br />Of course, if either or both sides were obedient to current canon law, each would grant the other their rights under canon 214, "to worship God according to the prescripts of their own rite approved by the legitimate pastors of the Church and to follow their own form of spiritual life so long as it is consonant with the doctrine of the Church."<br /><br />But, since the acrimony of both the modernists and the traditionalists is such as to deny justice under canon law each to the other, this warfare looks like it will be a long time in the fighting.Bernard Brandthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00159541603126407072noreply@blogger.com